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countries including the largest, indonesia. you have islamist political parties participating within that system. when we have these discussions, we are narrowly focused on the narrow focus of the muslim world. we need to keep that experience in mind. the main point is that there's nothing inherently anti- democratic about is lomb in terms of political culture. i think we agree with that point. this is where we disagree, but given the middle east, the crushing social demographic, economic pressures they are facing, changes coming. i go back regularly and i support the motion as it is currently crafted. i think it is like debating gravity. you see the early results >> toomey it seems like a necessary first stage of this debate which we see unfold in egypt. some of them, but not all of them will try to set the table, but public debate and open debate and try to impose a model that closes off pluralism. i do not see this in egypt today is a realistic possibility as we sit here today. this clash is spilling over into the seats -- streets. there is this desire for pluralism, and that poli
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